Comments on: Islam in America: Whither and Where http://ilmcast.com/islam-in-america-whither-and-where-20.htm A-Grade Soul Sessions Thu, 11 Mar 2010 07:05:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: ibn alHyderabadee http://ilmcast.com/islam-in-america-whither-and-where-20.htm#comment-1471 ibn alHyderabadee Sun, 20 Sep 2009 05:25:13 +0000 http://ilmcast.com/islam-in-america-whither-and-where-20.htm#comment-1471 jazakAllahu khayran It's unfortunate how articles are changed for whatever reason. jazakAllahu khayran

It’s unfortunate how articles are changed for whatever reason.

]]> By: Muhammed Al-Ahari http://ilmcast.com/islam-in-america-whither-and-where-20.htm#comment-1417 Muhammed Al-Ahari Tue, 15 Sep 2009 23:51:57 +0000 http://ilmcast.com/islam-in-america-whither-and-where-20.htm#comment-1417 One Muslim of this era not covered by these writers was Hadji Ali (Philip Tedro) a Greek convert to Islam and one of six camel handlers (three Arabs, Two Turks, and Hadji Ali) in the short-lived U.S. camel calvary corp in 1856. The Secretary of War, Jefferson Davis introduced a bill in Congress, that passed in 1855, to import camels for military purposes in the Arizona desert. During the experiment, 77 camels and six handlers were brought over from the East. When the War between the States broke out, this experiment was abandoned. It was called off due to the impending Civil War. Hadji Ali was the only of the cameleers to remain in the U.S.. The others returned to their homelands. Circuses and Zoos acquired some of the camels and others were turned loose. The camels that were turned loose in the desert terrorized live stock and wild animals for years. Hadji A]i became a prospector in the Colorado River Area. He eventually became a legend under- the corrupted name given to him by soldiers in the U.S. calvary- Hi Jolly. The legacy of this experiment are a highway gravemarker for Hadji Ali, some U.S. Army Manuals [see esp.- "Report Upon the Purchase, Importation, and Use of Camels and Dromedaries, To be Employed for military purposes, According to Act of Congress March 3, 1855. Made under the Direction of the Secretary of War 1855, '56, '57-240 pp.], and a movie by Walt Disney called Hawmps starring Slim Pickens and Denver Pyle. Hadji Ali lived to 1903 in Quartzsite, Arizona where he was a Prospector "and resident Imam. His three daughters were raised as Muslims but I have yet to verify how many generations Islam continued in his family." The highlighted portion of the line about being resident Imam was not in the original published in Fountain Magazine. The original also reads "Whether his three daughters were raised as Muslims and how many generations Islam continued in his family has yet to be verified." AsSalaam aliekum, If I made errors, I will freely admit them and change my positions when new data is located. Haj Ali's wife left him and took their daughters when he resumed prospecting, so if he was ever an Imam it was only for his family and perhaps his brother Blackie and then only for a brief time. As I noted, whether his daughters were raised as Muslims or even given Muslim names has yet to be determined. Like my articles published in the Minaret in the 1980s, words were added or rearranged from the original. In an article in the Minaret I wrote on Arabic slave narratives the original said "'Umar ibn Said quoted verses from the Bible and the Qur'an in his Arabic writings." The published version had "'Umar ibn Said quoted Hadith, verses from the Bible and the Qur'an in his Arabic writings." Also in an article on Bilali Muhammad there was an illustration of a manuscript from 'Umar ibn Said. When I asked about the error the editor told me that 'Umar's manuscript looked better and no one would notice. I've been debating whether to write an article on such errors that have been repeated. Also an article I wrote on Muhammad Alexander Russell in the Minaret was reprinted in the handbook for the 1993 World Parliament of Religions with no changes except that my name was deleted. This article has been reposted in hundreds of places of the internet. Some are more edited than others, some with my name or some version of it. This was written almost twenty years ago and I have found dozens more references and photos of Haj Ali since then. Some of the more recent sources even question if he was a Muslim since some Greek names as similar to the word hajji. One I've seen is Hajiamotos. One Muslim of this era not covered by these writers was Hadji Ali (Philip Tedro) a Greek convert to Islam and one of six camel handlers (three Arabs, Two Turks, and Hadji Ali) in the short-lived U.S. camel calvary corp in 1856. The Secretary of War, Jefferson Davis introduced a bill in Congress, that passed in 1855, to import camels for military purposes in the Arizona desert. During the experiment, 77 camels and six handlers were brought over from the East. When the War between the States broke out, this experiment was abandoned. It was called off due to the impending Civil War. Hadji Ali was the only of the cameleers to remain in the U.S.. The others returned to their homelands. Circuses and Zoos acquired some of the camels and others were turned loose. The camels that were turned loose in the desert terrorized live stock and wild animals for years. Hadji A]i became a prospector in the Colorado River Area. He eventually became a legend under- the corrupted name given to him by soldiers in the U.S. calvary- Hi Jolly. The legacy of this experiment are a highway gravemarker for Hadji Ali, some U.S. Army Manuals [see esp.- "Report Upon the Purchase, Importation, and Use of Camels and Dromedaries, To be Employed for military purposes, According to Act of Congress March 3, 1855. Made under the Direction of the Secretary of War 1855, '56, '57-240 pp.], and a movie by Walt Disney called Hawmps starring Slim Pickens and Denver Pyle. Hadji Ali lived to 1903 in Quartzsite, Arizona where he was a Prospector “and resident Imam. His three daughters were raised as Muslims but I have yet to verify how many generations Islam continued in his family.”

The highlighted portion of the line about being resident Imam was not in the original published in Fountain Magazine. The original also reads “Whether his three daughters were raised as Muslims and how many generations Islam continued in his family has yet to be verified.”

AsSalaam aliekum,
If I made errors, I will freely admit them and change my positions when new data is located. Haj Ali’s wife left him and took their daughters when he resumed prospecting, so if he was ever an Imam it was only for his family and perhaps his brother Blackie and then only for a brief time. As I noted, whether his daughters were raised as Muslims or even given Muslim names has yet to be determined.
Like my articles published in the Minaret in the 1980s, words were added or rearranged from the original. In an article in the Minaret I wrote on Arabic slave narratives the original said “‘Umar ibn Said quoted verses from the Bible and the Qur’an in his Arabic writings.” The published version had “‘Umar ibn Said quoted Hadith, verses from the Bible and the Qur’an in his Arabic writings.” Also in an article on Bilali Muhammad there was an illustration of a manuscript from ‘Umar ibn Said. When I asked about the error the editor told me that ‘Umar’s manuscript looked better and no one would notice. I’ve been debating whether to write an article on such errors that have been repeated. Also an article I wrote on Muhammad Alexander Russell in the Minaret was reprinted in the handbook for the 1993 World Parliament of Religions with no changes except that my name was deleted.

This article has been reposted in hundreds of places of the internet. Some are more edited than others, some with my name or some version of it. This was written almost twenty years ago and I have found dozens more references and photos of Haj Ali since then. Some of the more recent sources even question if he was a Muslim since some Greek names as similar to the word hajji. One I’ve seen is Hajiamotos.

]]> By: ibn alHyderabadee http://ilmcast.com/islam-in-america-whither-and-where-20.htm#comment-1415 ibn alHyderabadee Tue, 15 Sep 2009 23:04:05 +0000 http://ilmcast.com/islam-in-america-whither-and-where-20.htm#comment-1415 I havent heard this lecture yet but a few points to present reading fromt he comments - If Hadji Ali aka Hi Jolly was an Imam, I wonder who he was leading in his Imamate. Allahu'Alam Besides, Br. Muhammad alAhari, I think you yourself mentioned in your own article entitled "The Islamic Community In The United States: Historical Development", that Hadji Ali was an Imam and did raised his daughters as Muslims. And you mentioned that he had three daughters. Allahu'alam I havent heard this lecture yet but a few points to present reading fromt he comments

- If Hadji Ali aka Hi Jolly was an Imam, I wonder who he was leading in his Imamate.

Allahu’Alam

Besides, Br. Muhammad alAhari, I think you yourself mentioned in your own article entitled “The Islamic Community In The United States: Historical Development”, that Hadji Ali was an Imam and did raised his daughters as Muslims. And you mentioned that he had three daughters.

Allahu’alam

]]> By: Muhammed Al-Ahari http://ilmcast.com/islam-in-america-whither-and-where-20.htm#comment-1284 Muhammed Al-Ahari Wed, 09 Sep 2009 02:50:42 +0000 http://ilmcast.com/islam-in-america-whither-and-where-20.htm#comment-1284 AsSalaam aliekum, I don't have Tweeter. AsSalaam aliekum,
I don’t have Tweeter.

]]> By: Muhammed Al-Ahari http://ilmcast.com/islam-in-america-whither-and-where-20.htm#comment-1283 Muhammed Al-Ahari Wed, 09 Sep 2009 02:49:40 +0000 http://ilmcast.com/islam-in-america-whither-and-where-20.htm#comment-1283 Philip Tedro: A Greek Legend of the American West By STEVE FRANGOS Greek-American Review A full length biography is under way by this same writer. Philip Tedro:

A Greek Legend of the American West

By STEVE FRANGOS
Greek-American Review

A full length biography is under way by this same writer.

]]> By: AlBaraa http://ilmcast.com/islam-in-america-whither-and-where-20.htm#comment-1282 AlBaraa Wed, 09 Sep 2009 02:47:11 +0000 http://ilmcast.com/islam-in-america-whither-and-where-20.htm#comment-1282 or you can send him a tweet directly to @YasirQadhi or you can send him a tweet directly to @YasirQadhi

]]> By: AlBaraa http://ilmcast.com/islam-in-america-whither-and-where-20.htm#comment-1281 AlBaraa Wed, 09 Sep 2009 02:46:23 +0000 http://ilmcast.com/islam-in-america-whither-and-where-20.htm#comment-1281 Have you relayed the information to him directly. He checks his email regularly. Perhaps you want to let him know. If you want his email address - just send me a tweet @khanb1 Have you relayed the information to him directly. He checks his email regularly. Perhaps you want to let him know.

If you want his email address - just send me a tweet @khanb1

]]> By: Muhammed Al-Ahari http://ilmcast.com/islam-in-america-whither-and-where-20.htm#comment-1280 Muhammed Al-Ahari Wed, 09 Sep 2009 02:35:09 +0000 http://ilmcast.com/islam-in-america-whither-and-where-20.htm#comment-1280 He was repeating what he heard from others. He didn't have to make it up, and I wasn't accusing him specifically of making up history, nor did I call him a liar. Why don't you do some research yourself on who Hi Jolly was and then comment. There are several works on Hi Jolly such as "Uncle Sam's Camels" that will show that my comments were accurate. I put the exagerated comments on Hi Jolly along with those that claim Cherokees were Muslim and that there last Chief was named Salahudin ibn Watie, when his father's name was Stan Watie (which is not related an any linguist word to the Arabic word that looks the same). Also claims of 40% of slaves being Muslims and other such claims need not be repeated, even though many Muslim speakers do so. read my "Five Classic Muslim Slave Narratives," "Islam in America and Other Writings of Muhammad Alexander Russell Webb" and "Osmanli Diaspora Press" for more details. The comment was not directed specifically at the brother, but at anyone that just repeats historical inaccurate facts just to make Muslims look good, while when doing so makes us look like we do not have the ability to do proper historical research. He was repeating what he heard from others. He didn’t have to make it up, and I wasn’t accusing him specifically of making up history, nor did I call him a liar. Why don’t you do some research yourself on who Hi Jolly was and then comment.

There are several works on Hi Jolly such as “Uncle Sam’s Camels” that will show that my comments were accurate. I put the exagerated comments on Hi Jolly along with those that claim Cherokees were Muslim and that there last Chief was named Salahudin ibn Watie, when his father’s name was Stan Watie (which is not related an any linguist word to the Arabic word that looks the same). Also claims of 40% of slaves being Muslims and other such claims need not be repeated, even though many Muslim speakers do so. read my “Five Classic Muslim Slave Narratives,” “Islam in America and Other Writings of Muhammad Alexander Russell Webb” and “Osmanli Diaspora Press” for more details. The comment was not directed specifically at the brother, but at anyone that just repeats historical inaccurate facts just to make Muslims look good, while when doing so makes us look like we do not have the ability to do proper historical research.

]]> By: onewayorthehighway http://ilmcast.com/islam-in-america-whither-and-where-20.htm#comment-1276 onewayorthehighway Tue, 08 Sep 2009 23:14:02 +0000 http://ilmcast.com/islam-in-america-whither-and-where-20.htm#comment-1276 He is a man who studies continuously and as a Muslim he it is forbidden for him to lie; so what he is saying, whether it is in fact true or false, is to the best of his knowledge. If you have evidence to prove otherwise, please present it rather than making empty accusations. Moreover for a muslim to suspect another muslim is forbidden; see Qur'an. May Allah guide us all to His straight path, ameen. He is a man who studies continuously and as a Muslim he it is forbidden for him to lie; so what he is saying, whether it is in fact true or false, is to the best of his knowledge. If you have evidence to prove otherwise, please present it rather than making empty accusations. Moreover for a muslim to suspect another muslim is forbidden; see Qur’an. May Allah guide us all to His straight path, ameen.

]]> By: Muhammed al-Ahari http://ilmcast.com/islam-in-america-whither-and-where-20.htm#comment-405 Muhammed al-Ahari Mon, 26 Jan 2009 01:42:11 +0000 http://ilmcast.com/islam-in-america-whither-and-where-20.htm#comment-405 AsSalaam aliekum, Hi Jolly's pyramid shaped grave was built in 1934. Hi Jolly had two daughters and he deserted his family. He was never an Imam and his family never became Muslim. Don't make up history. AsSalaam aliekum,
Hi Jolly’s pyramid shaped grave was built in 1934. Hi Jolly had two daughters and he deserted his family. He was never an Imam and his family never became Muslim. Don’t make up history.

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